tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post5227249426794259288..comments2024-03-10T00:59:44.185-08:00Comments on Arctic News: Warning Signs Sam Caranahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12376449209858411775noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-78483125738945394862018-03-19T07:16:16.691-07:002018-03-19T07:16:16.691-07:00These Methane levels are the highest you have yet ...These Methane levels are the highest you have yet published. If this trend continues it will lead to catastrophic warming.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11991680196016804789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-15167555599681331502018-03-19T00:28:51.185-07:002018-03-19T00:28:51.185-07:00@Sam @Dreistein
Thank you for the exchange.
“Sim...@Sam @Dreistein<br /><br />Thank you for the exchange.<br /><br />“Simplicity does not precede complexity but follows it.” <br /><br />No one likes to hear bad news but in the current reality we live in right now in regards to climate change, I think it’s time for the science to be translated into a simpler non-scientific language… sound bites the average person can understand (for example: ten commandments = ten lines = ten messages). As sad as this sounds, it’s about taking the product (the climate change scientific data/conclusions) to market (the masses). The focus should be on basic communications and marketing. <br /><br />A series of well timed and mindful messages can go a long way with those we need to talk to on a more personal and direct level. Try and simply say only what needs to be said and don’t mollify or sugar coat the messaging that is being shared, but also don’t make things worse than they already are with unnecessary dire language.<br /><br />If the messaging is transparent and totally genuine, then the general public will be much more receptive to the things that the scientists have to say. Remember, you have to respect who you’re talking to before they will respect you (and listen).<br /><br />The general public are also more inclined to support and respect those they trust, so it is important to develop rapport by building momentum in the relationship between the scientists and the general public with a series of basic understandable non-scientific messages.<br /><br />In the end, all the general public want is to understand the truth and know what they can do as individuals to help solve the bigger problem.<br />Doug Sneddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05362444991248084856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-72306475975441284412018-03-16T16:55:08.235-07:002018-03-16T16:55:08.235-07:00Yes Sam, I missed that connection, though I had se...Yes Sam, I missed that connection, though I had seen your much earlier work on methane releases in the Arctic due to siesmic activity along the fault, which Is why I mentioned it. This coupled with the perma frost thaw now well underway means that we are really screwed. However the point that I was making was that as sea level rise really gets underway and water transports to the equator under centrifical influence the bulging of the ocean has got to be squeezing the crust more around the equator to apply compressive forces for some considerable time into the future. Are these forces to small to create a difference? I don’t know.BilBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09307785495360797781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-53053716674783812752018-03-16T09:59:25.002-07:002018-03-16T09:59:25.002-07:00Not sure if your comment was referring to me, but ...Not sure if your comment was referring to me, but just in case, I did not mean to complain about mentioning extinction. Quite the opposite, I think it's very important to make people aware of the enormous risks we are facing (IMHO, a lot of the estimates regarding when consequences will strike may well be too conservative by far).<br /><br />My point was that if people see a picture screaming extinction as the first thing, some may put the post in the same category as doomsday blogs without substance and not read further - which really would do the great posts here no justice.Dreisteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00859059190599694167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-54802742093023053252018-03-16T03:41:24.280-07:002018-03-16T03:41:24.280-07:00Earthquakes are mentioned under one of the Ten Dan...Earthquakes are mentioned under one of the Ten Dangers of Global Warming, i.e. under <a href="http://arctic-news.blogspot.com.au/p/ten-dangers-of-global-warming.html#9_Tipping_points" rel="nofollow">Tipping Points</a>. For more on this also see the page <a href="http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/p/seismic-events.html" rel="nofollow">Seismic Events</a>. Sam Caranahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12376449209858411775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-84844524599441103332018-03-15T11:55:13.108-07:002018-03-15T11:55:13.108-07:00Sam your 10 risks thread is almost prophetic in li...Sam your 10 risks thread is almost prophetic in light of so many recent events. One item not on the list is the possibility of increased compressive earth quakes triggerred by sea level rise global mass shift. Not proven but talked about by some. The proof will in the number and nature of the quake types, more convergent than divergent over a long period and one can start to argue that the Earths crust is reacting to the sqeeze of water pressure. Worst case would be divergent earth quakes under the Arctic Ocean triggered as mass is removed from Greenland, causing large dislodgements of Arctic clathrates. <br /><br />Recent compressive earthquake examples might be the New Zealand ones.<br /><br />https://www.carbonbrief.org/can-climate-change-cause-earthquakes-we-look-at-the-science-and-the-spin<br />BilBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09307785495360797781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-73470111636999503042018-03-11T06:07:36.044-07:002018-03-11T06:07:36.044-07:00Yes, I can recommend reading the 2017 paper Biolog...Yes, I can recommend reading the 2017 paper <a href="http://www.pnas.org/content/114/30/E6089" rel="nofollow">Biological annihilation via the ongoing sixth mass extinction signaled by vertebrate population losses and declines</a> by Gerardo Ceballos, Paul R. Ehrlich and Rodolfo Dirzo.Sam Caranahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12376449209858411775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-6211812478090719392018-03-11T05:11:11.609-07:002018-03-11T05:11:11.609-07:00How can people complain about mentioning extinctio...How can people complain about mentioning extinction when PNAS publishes papers entitled "Biological annihilation via the ongoing sixth mass extinction signaled by vertebrate population losses and declines"?lawrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03378498639952626344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-63639434004361504692018-03-11T04:28:52.135-07:002018-03-11T04:28:52.135-07:00Thanks Dreistein, let me add that a lot of people ...Thanks Dreistein, let me add that a lot of people read such posts for the first time. An alarming image at the top of the post may be what makes them take notice in the first place and a link to the Climate Plan can be helpful in sorting out further questions. Sam Caranahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12376449209858411775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-80540205690791951962018-03-11T04:23:46.307-07:002018-03-11T04:23:46.307-07:00It's hard to predict the future with certainty...It's hard to predict the future with certainty, but it's clear that the situation is dire. While our prospects may look bleak, I feel that calling for action is the right thing to do. I may look at things from the perspective of a writer, and things will differ from person to person, so everyone will have to come to terms with this in their own way. I'm keen to hear suggestions on this, so do post comments at <br /><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/arcticnews/permalink/10156275676034679" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/groups/arcticnews/permalink/10156275676034679</a>Sam Caranahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12376449209858411775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-54237562492401590052018-03-11T01:31:38.549-08:002018-03-11T01:31:38.549-08:00@doug: I agree we live in a headlines world, but I...@doug: I agree we live in a headlines world, but I believe there's a lot of people like me who appreciate complex facts boiled down to easily understandable yet still informative articles such as is done in Sam's blog posts. If every blogger and journalist panders to the stark-headline-low-on-content brigade, it will become even worse.<br /><br />I've been following Sam's posts for years, and as far as I'm concerned, they're excellent for anyone who wants to understand these issues beyond soundbites but without delving into too much scientific detail. The charts are great, too.<br /><br />If anything, I would say the sometimes alarmist elements detract from the message and may put off those who consider themselves serious. For example, the extinction picture at the top of this post and the standard 'the situation is dire...' (I suggest taking it out; after seeing it once or twice it just becomes annoying).<br /><br />The conversation starts in these comments and with every reader who makes the effort to discuss the situation with others.<br />Dreisteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00859059190599694167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-79593413345107733912018-03-10T16:26:31.148-08:002018-03-10T16:26:31.148-08:00in all seriousness, and at the risk of being extre...in all seriousness, and at the risk of being extremely cynical, is it already too late? Thank you.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13797493325711329294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-81630303038207899842018-03-08T02:46:11.060-08:002018-03-08T02:46:11.060-08:00Good points Doug, a lot of things are discussed at...Good points Doug, a lot of things are discussed at the Arctic News group and I posted an invitation to discuss what we can do to get the message out, see <br /><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/arcticnews/permalink/10156275676034679/" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/groups/arcticnews/permalink/10156275676034679</a>Sam Caranahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12376449209858411775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-63440630988479313762018-03-07T23:43:59.035-08:002018-03-07T23:43:59.035-08:00Great post. Lots of facts but who is actually read...Great post. Lots of facts but who is actually reading this level of material regarding climate change. It’s time to step down from on high with all the charts and numbers and start having conversations at ground level if you want to get your messaging out to the masses. I know it’s next to impossible for a scientist to compete with watered down information in the main stream media but how long can you keep doing what you doing knowing you are not getting your message across to the masses. Scientists always assume that once they get there information out there, their job is done. Think again. It’s a soundbite reality we live in, headlines, clippers, 140 characters…etc. Remember, communication is suppose to be a conversation, not a series of scientific papers, charts or lectures. And don’t just expect that conversations will happen, you need to take part in making them happen (in non-scientific language). Sorry for the rant, but man this climate change shit needs to get out there to the masses, fast.<br /><br />p.s. You should allow people to post comments, even ones like this.<br />Doug Sneddenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05362444991248084856noreply@blogger.com