tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post7338625925056418492..comments2024-03-25T04:43:08.153-07:00Comments on Arctic News: 3.27°C warmer by 2030?Sam Caranahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12376449209858411775noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-26545512438282090722015-09-18T05:45:54.217-07:002015-09-18T05:45:54.217-07:00Yeah, NOAA reanalyzes data all the time, which can...Yeah, NOAA reanalyzes data all the time, which can result in small adjustments like that. At the time of writing the post, the anomaly was 1.47°C above the 20th century average. The -0.60°C departure from the 20th century average is the temperature at the start of a polynomial trendline on the 1880-2015 dataset, as illustrated in the top image. Sure, weather changes from day to day, but variability works both ways, it can either raise or decrease temperatures, and while 2015 is an El Niño year, this El Niño is still strengthening, so 2016 could well be even warmer. Moreover, higher temperatures are in line with expectations of the polynomial trendline in the top image and it points at yet another degree Celsius rise by 2030, on top of the current level. The post also comments on the difference between hemispheres, explaining that, while there was indeed less warming on the Southern Hemisphere, the difference between hemispheres was small. Globally-averaged land surface temperature was a little bit lower, i.e. 1.34°C above the 20th century average (or 1.32°C in the new reanalysis). As said, this difference is not very relevant since most people live on the Northern Hemisphere, so for most people it's now already well over 1.4°C warmer than the 20th century average and more than 2°C warmer than it was in 1880. Sam Caranahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12376449209858411775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-25431925751927589102015-09-18T03:07:54.826-07:002015-09-18T03:07:54.826-07:00The NOAA data show 2015 YTD as +1.45C above the 20...The NOAA data show 2015 YTD as +1.45C above the 20th century average, not 1.47C. A small discrepancy. I don't see where the 0.6C figure comes from. Firstly, the average anomaly for the year 1880 is about -0.49 (so 0.49C colder than the 20th century average). So that isn't -0.6C. However, one year is noise. The average for 1880 to 1899, incl. is about -0.46C, though this probably still isn't statistically valid. 30 years seems to be generally reckoned as the period needed to figure climate for a period, so we probably need 1865-1895 data to get a good idea of how much it warmed from 1880 to the 20th century average, but I'm still not sure that would be statistically valid. Certainly this year is a hot one, globally or hemispherically, land or sea. But I'm not sure if we can say that it's reached the magic figure of 2C already, particularly as that wouldn't be for the global surface temp (which is what matters) and wouldn't take into account natural variation, which is part of what we've got at the moment (with El Nino).sofistekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07182009148535883429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-80477118153436708702015-09-16T15:51:36.580-07:002015-09-16T15:51:36.580-07:00Great work, thanks!Great work, thanks!Sam Caranahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12376449209858411775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-14673911809471441602015-09-16T13:05:06.452-07:002015-09-16T13:05:06.452-07:00Fresh off the keyboard :^)
I'm slow, but I get...Fresh off the keyboard :^)<br />I'm slow, but I get there.<br />http://leclimatoblogue.blogspot.ca/2015/09/327c-de-rechauffement-pour-2030.html<br />Again, thanks for your great work and help.<br />Keep fighting<br />A. Randomjackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06761239182569631894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-30798312209646236612015-09-16T10:39:26.413-07:002015-09-16T10:39:26.413-07:00I look at this issue and see that California is be...I look at this issue and see that California is becoming a wasteland through fire and drought. People leaving California are not coming, they are as much refugees as the ones in the MENA region. <br /><br />It is more evident that the main feedbacks are becoming stronger, as shown by the increase in temperature at Greenland. There are zones where the anomalies range from 5-10 degrees. Its is extremely dangerous.<br /><br />Bering Straight newspaper just reported that the Polarled pipeline just crossed the Arctic Circle, making clear that humans are there to stay and to develop what they consider cheap energy. <br /><br />It will be the most expensive energy in the world, since it will trigger its collapse. Gajo Filosofalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04446816569301151194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-75581587180642847152015-09-15T21:04:43.106-07:002015-09-15T21:04:43.106-07:00That figure doesn't look right to me. I've...That figure doesn't look right to me. I've added figures for the <a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5rZeuBlmndQ/VfjQ5VwAZNI/AAAAAAAARec/YVJCoTRVXaU/s1600/mean-temperature-2.png" rel="nofollow">mean temperatures 1901-2000</a>, which shouldn't be too different from the 1910-2000 average. Sam Caranahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12376449209858411775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-70298025743505541112015-09-15T11:24:12.551-07:002015-09-15T11:24:12.551-07:00Guess what... I was able to figure out the 1910 to...Guess what... I was able to figure out the 1910 to 2000 average, I think lol<br />I came up with 0,47°C<br />Could you please let me know if I'm correct?<br />Thanks and have a great day<br />JackA. Randomjackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06761239182569631894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-40225816311257270412015-09-14T16:10:30.541-07:002015-09-14T16:10:30.541-07:00Thank you very much for the explanations Sam, you&...Thank you very much for the explanations Sam, you're finally getting me there :-)<br />Take care!A. Randomjackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06761239182569631894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-18423951342647767562015-09-14T16:00:00.601-07:002015-09-14T16:00:00.601-07:00The blue-colored bars on the mage with the NOAA sh...The blue-colored bars on the mage with the NOAA show how much temperatures were below the 20thcentury average. For the year 1880, it was -0.39°C, while for 1883 it was -0.68°C and for 1885 it was -0.72°C. The top image adds a trendline for all years on record, showing a difference from the start of the record in 1880 to the 20thcentury average of about -0.60°C.Sam Caranahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12376449209858411775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-38616521334063407442015-09-14T15:28:57.789-07:002015-09-14T15:28:57.789-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.A. Randomjackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06761239182569631894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-85982369846737398552015-09-14T07:15:54.901-07:002015-09-14T07:15:54.901-07:00Well, you add .6°C to the 1,47°C from 1880 to date...Well, you add .6°C to the 1,47°C from 1880 to date (2015) from the NOAA link<br /><br />This is the part you wrote I do not understand<br />More importantly, this 1.47°C rise is a rise compared to the 20thcentury average. The 20thcentury average was some 0.60°C higher than temperatures were at the start of the NOAA record in 1880. In other words, temperatures for most people on Earth are already 2.07°C higher<br />To me, it's like you're adding a ,6°C that's already in the NOAA data. I can't figure out where the 0,6°C comes from...A. Randomjackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06761239182569631894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-997414069983153782015-09-14T06:45:38.954-07:002015-09-14T06:45:38.954-07:00Jack, I've added an image with content from th...Jack, I've added an <a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-C0wU_Qgyg-g/VfbM0-Ou9tI/AAAAAAAARdI/QhkEa6GD-v0/s1600/ytd-anomaly.png" rel="nofollow">image</a> with content from the <a href="https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/globe/land/ytd/7/1880-2015" rel="nofollow">NOAA page</a>, including the note that hemispheric anomalies are with respect to the 20th century average. Where did you read that this was not the case? Sam Caranahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12376449209858411775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-2450305875719069002015-09-14T05:28:47.616-07:002015-09-14T05:28:47.616-07:00Good morning Sam
I'm not sure if you got my pr...Good morning Sam<br />I'm not sure if you got my previous comment, they sometimes seem to get lost.<br />I had started translating your article and tried to find how or where you got<br />"The 20thcentury average was some 0.60°C higher"<br />but it really seems like there's a mistake. The link you gave to NOAA says : that the <br />"year-to-date land surface temperature was 1.47°C above 1880, <br />and not above the 20th century average.<br />Did I miss anything?<br /><br />JackA. Randomjackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06761239182569631894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-82779045904708634292015-09-11T04:37:45.304-07:002015-09-11T04:37:45.304-07:00Sure, look forward to see french version of this p...Sure, look forward to see french version of this post on your blog, thanks.Sam Caranahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12376449209858411775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3046701423623795423.post-32983276383424965562015-09-11T04:09:46.590-07:002015-09-11T04:09:46.590-07:00Hello Sam
With your permission, I will translate t...Hello Sam<br />With your permission, I will translate this article for http://leclimatoblogue.blogspot.ca/<br />I still didn't get a reply from David Spratt, even on FB... I hope I get it soon, or I might decide to post it anyhow, the most important thing in my view is to get the messages out there.<br />Have a nice day and thanks again for your work.A. Randomjackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06761239182569631894noreply@blogger.com